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My buddy Jessie Stiles and I have been working together for awhile now making tracks with my looping rig feeding his Laptop Max/MSP patch which also incorporates some aiff files, but which mostly reloops, cuts, and morphs my loops and live sound into drum and bass sounds... We've found a lot of joy and some good material. We're on our way toward our first record. The project is called Axe Puzzles, and the track is called Hardcore Oceanography. I offer it up for your enjoyment and as an example of how I enjoying both live looping and tracks together. . It can be found on my site, http://www.toddreynolds.com Or for a more direct link, http://www.toddreynolds.com/emusic/hardcore.mp3 What you hear is... Todd Reynolds, violin --> Orville <==> EDP Jessie Stiles aka the jts3000 G4 15" 1Ghz running Max/MSP 4.2 I use a Metric Halo Mobile I/O to route the whole operation, governed by a 17" G4, onboard which I carry a couple of different looping rigs (max, reaktor, live) which, I opine in alliance with Kim, currently can not even closely match up to the immediacy, power and flexibility of the EDP. The whole tune is a real time performance. Only the start point was edited. Here's to everybody in this community. LD is great. Todd