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i found this controller on the net. might be more quiet than ground control. downside: has no expression pedal input. tilmann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kelly Coyle" <skcoyle@gmail.com> To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:23 PM Subject: Re: Subject: Laptop-based looping >I wouldn't necessarily rely on that info about the MFC10 -- but I > don't know how you would find out whether it really works or not > without buying one. Unless someone you believe actually knows > something (a little hard to tell sometimes on the net) has one, uses > it, and says it's OK. > > As far as I've been able to tell, footpedal-wise you have these > choices (of pedals currently made) for Mobius in particular (some gear > is not so flexible in MIDI assignments as Mobius and Live; if, for > instance, you want to control an EDP most of these won't work). I have > all this at hand because it's the problem I'm trying to solve, too. So > I hope more people answer your question. What I present here is mostly > gleaned from Internet research, so YMMV. > > Behringer FBC1010. Probably the best available, cheap, and made by an > otherwise cruddy company. It's depressing. I have one here, and am > trying to decide whether to keep it. Downsides: large, and just the > overall legacy of Behringer. Supposedly the "action" on the pedals is > a little sloppy, as compared to the: > > Nobels MF-2. You can get it from Goldyke (may have spelled that > wrong). Supposedly higher precision than the Behringer, twice as much > money, *and* you have to supply your own continuous controllers (up to > 4, though, which is cool). I am tempted by this one. > > Ground Control Pro, All Access, CAE: these all seem very similar to > one another. Much higher build quality than Behringer, but make a > decided click which is a problem if there's a mic anywhere in your > looping rig: *click* music *click* music... Expensive. For myself, I > have to decide if I am ever going to want to loop acoustically or > vocally. > > High end pedals -- I forget the brand names, but if you need them I'll > find them. No experience whatsoever with these. These often come in at > nearly 1K. > > Low end pedals -- eight or ten button control change only pedals > sometimes with a continuous pedal tucked on the end (e.g., Rolls). > These might work with Live and Mobius because you can use pretty much > any MIDI message to do anything. Several companies make these, and > used ones are nearly free. Some of them would probably be OK. Others > might not be precise enough -- I have no idea. I have an ART here > somewhere I should probably power up and test. > > Also: Roland has a couple of pedals, with a new one coming out. And > the Yamaha... > > > -- > http://quotidianme.kellycoyle.net > http://organicguitar.kellycoyle.net >