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I am impressed, depressed... I spent a lot of time switching from HW to SW myself, and I still dont feel at home as you could see and hear at y2k7. I had almost the same system for 15 years before, only upgrading effect units, soldering arround in my fixed wiring sometimes to allow some new control or combination, so that worked very intuitively to me. But was it bug free? No! many times there was a bad contact somewhere, usually coming up before the show, but sometimes during, as well... Sometimes some setting was changed and not as easy to find as in the computer, where everything is preset, just open the right file and all is the way you saved it... I see the effort some musicians make from plain accoustic playing to using HW effects. You did that step long time ago, possibly while learning to play, so you dont even remember that. There are a lot of side conditions of how you set up the computer. I am using the same macbook pro for everything in my life, which is not so serious. I should have a unit just for live playing and leave it the way it is, until some change which is well tested on another machine can be moved to the live computer - a week or so before the next gig... And this live computer could be a box with a touch screen and pedal connected. A main drawback of the laptops are the exposed connectors on its side. I think the whole setup should be ready wired in a save box (I see that most loopers dont do this and spend a time hooking up all their pedals and testing them each time they play). I actually tried this with a mini mac in the same box as the pedal and the audio interface, but failed, because the it has the video memory shared with the main memory which produces clicks. ** always buy computers with video cards that have physical memory on it (carefull, they try to cheat in specs!) ** Also, for the preliminary Mathons Polyphonic plugins, I spend over 50% of the processor power, so any accidental additional load can create a click - or a gap, as I had 4 times at y2k7, and never before... also, I was stupid enough to not even reboot the computer before playing... So I think we should - learn how to do it best on what there is arround now - not touch the solution when we have one and play it over a longer time - hope for faster and smaller (no HD) machines in the future - hope for more realtime oriented music OS (as the Linux guys are working on, while Vista goes the other direction...) - hope (or work) for better looping software... >> difficult to just do what's needed and say "yup, it works, now >> close the toolbox" >> > Yup, I follow you. My problem, at least in the PC world, is that > the damn technology > never lets you close the toolbox. :) thats because you are not done with it yet. I bet we can come to a arrangement we like so much that we stop looking at each plug that comes out for a while and then make another upgrade when we feel like - on a different machine... Plus, you knew when you started using Max, that you were choosing the steep way, but you wanted it because you want unlimited optinons. So since the machine does not give you limits (as a RC20 would ;-) you have to put a limit! So yes, all this sucks creative energy, but its because we are really creating something new and in the end can create new music with it, so the sucked energy is fed back, in a way, no? yeah, dont stop to play because of the computer, but dont just trash what holds so much of your energy! Matthias On 11 Nov 2007, at 17:21, Krispen Hartung wrote: > I'm just confused as the pragmatic difference between lugging a > desktop computer box around, with a touch screen connected to it, > maybe an external audio interface, and a MIDI controller....and > simply bringing a laptop and an interface and MIDI controller. Not > much difference to me...both revolve around the PC, which is what > has been sucking the artistic energy out of me > > Remember the sci-fi movie, Lifeforce? Remember that beautiful > brunet/alien who was walking around, baring her breasts, seducing > men, and sucking the life out of them? Yeah, that's the laptop/max/ > reaktor for me. It's just so damn seductive I can't say no, but it > drains me. :) > > Kris >