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wow,are u serious the echo pro doesn´t do the trail off delay,wasnt it supposed to be a more sofisticated machine than the DL4? i think this is one of the most killer features on delays,i cant believe some of this companies havent realized how essential this is when changing patches!i recently tested the VOX tonelab LE and i couldnt believe it didnt have this feature either this is why ill stay with my simple stomp box pedalboard,and you just add the ingredients i want.The DD-20 does this very nice as well,although i am quite curious about the Timefactor,it seems like it has the features of the DL4 and the DD-20 combined plus midi and usb. I dont know this Eventide company but if they listen to musicians and do frequent upgrades then it might put all of ther current delay stomp boxes out(ive heard they are already working on preset name programming.) The one pedal i am looking for now is a compact preamp simulator to put at the end of the chain,a good punchy clean tube sounding one will do,in case i dont feel like taking my amp thus going straight into the house P.A.,is there such a thing outhere? Luis The Delay Pro would probably be in my > main rack taking > the place of my DL8000R if it had a reasonable hold > function or even > a bypass option that kept the echos going until they > faded out (a > feature I believe the DL-4 has). > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom ____________________________________________________________________________________ Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs