RE: MY NEW TOY

[Anders Bergdahl <anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com>]

I'm not at all sure i would be able to hear the difference between a recorded amp and a recorded simulation. But I KNOW i can feel the difference between a modeling amp and a standard tube amp, modeling don't FEEL the same to play. And the amps I have are truly great, each one has it's own special niche of feel and sound as I said they are instruments, replacing an amp with a computer simulation is like replacing a guitar with a sample triggered in the laptop, in makes similar sound but it is NOT the same instrument. I play guitar and amp not guitar and amp sims, you just can't get a amp sim to interact with touch and position of guitar relative to amp.. different instrument, not better or worse.
As for laptop, right now I'm typing on a newish HP (compaq 8510p) and just runing vista and IE takes up around one GB of memory after a while... and all since i work all day with computer I don't wont a computer involved in my music, perhaps for recording in the future. But LIVE and playing for fun, nope.. computers are NOT fun - for me
 
> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 15:07:42 -0700
> Subject: Re: MY NEW TOY
> From: zerocrossing@gmail.com
> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
>
> The Axe-FX is a computer. No difference really except it's got built
> in converters. I was even under the impression that Fractal was busy
> porting their software to run on Windows.
>
> Your experience with laptops is probably a bit dated as I'm able to
> get quite a lot of effects (including Amplitube) running inside of
> Live with nary a hitch at pretty low latencies in a 4 year old laptop.
> I do even better with my desktop. The trick is adjusting a few things
> in Windows that are designed to help a general computer user, but
> hinder real time audio production. Once you fix that it's great.
>
> Sorry, I've seen about a hundred threads where guys claim to be able
> to hear the superior sound quality of dedicated hardware and then
> proceed to not be able to tell the difference in blind tests. It's
> all just stuff that should be a means to an end so what ever works for
> you. I know for myself, I played with NI's Guitar Rig 3 and thought,
> "Oh, I guess computers can't do amp simulation well" and I dismissed
> it as an option. It wasn't until I tried Amplitube SVX out on my bass
> that I was compelled to give it another look see. I'd be super
> curious to put the Axe-FX against the IK stuff and see what's what.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Anders
> Bergdahl<anders_e_bergdahl@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > And the axafx is supposed to sound REALLY good, several tube amp fanatics
> > rave about it. I would much prefer an axefx based rig over a computer based
> > rig. Since i LOVE tube anps and find playing great amp being a pleasure much
> > like enjoying a great single malt (or wine if you prefer) computer based is
> > a non starter for. One reason could be that i find it hard for most laptiops
> > I have used at work to even cope with riunning a few instances of IE and
> > some office applications without geting hickup...
> > Again MY main reason for sticking with tube amps is that they are more to me
> > than amps, they are a part of the instrument, electric guitar.
> >
> > Anders
> > www.soundclick.com/andersbergdahl
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:45:20 -0700
> >> Subject: Re: MY NEW TOY
> >> From: zerocrossing@gmail.com
> >> To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >>
> >> No kidding! However when I think of the fact that my Vox/VF-1 was
> >> about half that price (and the VF-1 was used when I got it) and I
> >> guess if you consider the IK Multimedia STOMP I/O is $1000 (+$229 for
> >> Fender) and you still need a computer to run it, it sounds a bit less
> >> crazy.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 1:35 PM, L.Angulo<labaloops@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > seems to have a basic but nice looper as well with record,play,play once
> >> > ,overdub and reverse not bad but ouch the price hurts...
> >> >
> >> > www.myspace.com/luisangulocom
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --- Mark Sottilaro <zerocrossing@gmail.com> schrieb am Di, 30.6.2009:
> >> >
> >> >> Von: Mark Sottilaro <zerocrossing@gmail.com>
> >> >> Betreff: Re: MY NEW TOY
> >> >> An: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com
> >> >> Datum: Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009, 11:29
> >> >> Word on the street is that if you
> >> >> want *the best* then the Axe-FX is
> >> >> the route to go:
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.fractalaudio.com/products-fa-axefx.html
> >> >>
> >> >> I have no experience with them but the demos sound great:
> >> >> (even with
> >> >> youtube compression)
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubu8A_wmmNI&fmt=18
> >> >>
> >> >> The cost seems prohibitive to me, but if you've got the
> >> >> cash and want
> >> >> the best maybe it's worth it. I found my Vox Tonelab/VF-1
> >> >> combo to be
> >> >> good enough for me, and Amplitube to be even better. One
> >> >> thing that
> >> >> sold me on the software route is that if I want to do
> >> >> something that's
> >> >> not possible in a hardware set up without a bunch of
> >> >> re-routing I can
> >> >> do it effortlessly and then call it up as a preset.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:56 AM, Jeff Duke<jeff_d@embarqmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > thanks Andy,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > but you did answer it really. It's funny but i
> >> >> recently compiled alot of my
> >> >> > tunes  for release on Bandcamp. I realized that the
> >> >> best (meaning my
> >> >> > favorite) sounds were all direct into the board
> >> >> recordings. i have used
> >> >> > whatever amp/speaker modelers I had in whatever fx box
> >> >> I was using at the
> >> >> > time. All the newer stuff was done while wearing
> >> >> headphones in a quiet
> >> >> > apartment.
> >> >> > I arrange it so that my chain is distortion/fuzz into
> >> >> amp modelers
> >> >> > (currently Digitech RP 250  and or Korg AX 3000G)
> >> >> into modfx/delay/reverb
> >> >> > into loopers into sometimes more mangle fx into mixer.
> >> >> Not the best way but
> >> >> > there ya go. i stay stereo from the outputs of the
> >> >> multi fx boxes. i really
> >> >> > want a proper mixer so that i can feed more of
> >> >> everything into everything
> >> >> > else sort of :)
> >> >> > All that said i still believe that a good real amp
> >> >> cranked up sounds better.
> >> >> > I just can't do that anymore in real life. I guess it
> >> >> come down to good tone
> >> >> > being subjective. I am always looking for "the" sound.
> >> >> hmmm, maybe this?
> >> >> > http://www.beavisaudio.com/Projects/DBS/
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And your right about Bill Walker! He has the "tone"!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > First cup 'o coffee wearing off, gotta go get more!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > best,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jeff
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Ad astra per alia porci - Steinbeck
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > http://jeffduke.org/
> >> >> > http://www.myspace.com/loopsinphasespace
> >> >> > http://jeffduke.bandcamp.com/
> >> >> > http://www.ustream.tv/channel/loopydroneyglitchywacky-presents
> >> >> > http://www.justin.tv/loopslab
> >> >> > http://www.vimeo.com/jeffduke
> >> >> > http://www.reverbnation.com/thejeffduke
> >> >> > http://virb.com/jeffduke
> >> >> > http://themineisthemind.blogspot.com/
> >> >> > http://www.youtube.com/user/sticky899
> >> >> > http://www.sugarat.org/tecbab/
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy butler"
> >> >> <akbutler@tiscali.co.uk>
> >> >> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
> >> >> > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:15 AM
> >> >> > Subject: Re: MY NEW TOY
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Jeff Duke wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Rather than put two amp sims after the fx,
> >> >> surely it would be neater to
> >> >> >>>> put one amp sim between guitar and fx.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> What would you recommend in a stereo amp sim
> >> >> Andy?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Jeff
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Oh, I'm probably the worst person to ask about amp
> >> >> sims ;-)
> >> >> >> Ask Bill Walker.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I only really started playing electric guitar when
> >> >> I started looping,
> >> >> >> and while I played bass through a nice valve setup
> >> >> for years I eventually
> >> >> >> found that it just wouldn't reproduce the sort of
> >> >> playing I put into it.
> >> >> >> (i.e. I used to sometimes get quite a lot going at
> >> >> once, but wasn't
> >> >> >> willing to reduce the low frequency content of the
> >> >> sound.)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hence I now use JBL Eons for everything, and don't
> >> >> possess a decent amp
> >> >> >> sim.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Currently I'm experimenting with a Moogerfooger
> >> >> Lo-pass to mellow
> >> >> >> out the fuzzy tones from my ADA MP1 valve pre.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> However, the raw fuzz/overdrive sounds I use sound
> >> >> ok to me, and it seems
> >> >> >> also to the audience. Only knowledgeable
> >> >> guitarists have sometimes
> >> >> >> to worried that I have a flat battery somewhere
> >> >> ;-)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Generally, I reckon that for a looping device, a
> >> >> clean full range sound is
> >> >> >> preferable
> >> >> >> so that the layers can remain distinct in the
> >> >> mix.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Hence I would always put an amp sim before the
> >> >> looper, rather than after.
> >> >> >> Then it would be possible to build up a mix using
> >> >> different amp tones.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> My guess was that Ted wanted to "ampify" his pa
> >> >> speakers by putting a
> >> >> >> stereo
> >> >> >> amp sim (two SansAmps) just in front of them.
> >> >> >> It's a different approach...and I don't doubt he'd
> >> >> make it work.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I'd say 'hope that helps', only as I didn't
> >> >> >> answer the question......     :-)
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