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mark francombe wrote: > still need a way to send to loopers without using the sends though .. grr You could make a small passive mixer. Just resistors and switches. but enough gain in the input of each looper would be essential > > ...what a weird old world! yep, I think Behringer get more bashing than they deserve. That thing they do with the yellow LEDs that actually fade in to make the valves glow realistically always cheers me up. andy