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For the record, I have taken the better advice here and reverted to direct MIDI passing Note On / Note Off pair thru live to Echoloop VST. I figured the closer I am to the creator's intent, the better off I'll be :) Also seemed better to have all my commands in my controller rather than tied to mapped Ableton set files. Phil :) On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:36 PM, Phil Clevenger wrote: > This Phil is using 8.2.8. on OSX 10.6.8. > > Not broken, but not working as expected. Thankfully, it is at least > working :) > > Phil :) > > > On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:11 PM, andy butler wrote: > >> Jeff Larson wrote: >>> [andy] >>>> ps, this seems to confirm that Ableton is pretty much broken >>>> in terms of Midi routing. >>> Well all I can say is that it's working perfectly here, in both Live >>> 7.0.12 OS X and 8.2.2 for Windows. I get Note Ons, Note Offs, >> >> yep, I'm sure it was working in 8.1 >> >> Dunnow what version Phil is using. >> >> >> andy >> >