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Does it really? Real self-oscillation? You can change the pitch with the time knob? If that's so then... WOW! I'll have to check that out, as that would make it quite a unit. I could swear I read that I would not self-oscillate, but I could easily be wrong about this. If I keep the pedal board instead of the tonelab then I might have to check this out. Thanks! On Jun 18, 2004, at 11:37 PM, Shane Whitbread wrote: > the boss DD-20 does tap and oscillation as well. Probably the best > delay > pedal on the market today...... > > Also, count this as a bump....I too wanna know if they ocsillate or > not...... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DJ" <dhjohnson@mindspring.com> > To: <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com> > Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: Retraction and apology to LD and Vox (Re: Vox Tonelab for > looping) > > >> That sounds very cool. Do you know, can any of the the tonelabs >> delays >> self-oscillate a la the old bucket-brigade delays? That is one of the >> coolest effects and no one seems to make delays that can do it. I >> need >> a delay that has tap tempo self-oscillation and looping. I think >> Maneco who make the Maneco loopers is building a device that can do >> this. No one mention the line 6 as I am not going to pay that kind of >> money for something that is going to break and the replacement part >> cost almost as much as a new unit. My friend had one and when it >> broke >> that's what line 6 told him to do, buy a new chip or processor which >> was probably 75% of the cost of a new unit. When my old memory man >> broke I sent it to EH and for 16 bucks they fixed it. >> >> On Jun 18, 2004, at 4:26 PM, msottilaro wrote: >> >>> On Jun 18, 2004, at 10:33 AM, DJ wrote: >>> >>>> I'm curious, what kind of looping capabilities does the Tonelab SE >>>> have? >>> >>> Vox doesn't advertise it because nobody cares about looping, silly. >>> ;) >>> Here's what it does straight from the manual: >>> >>> 10. HOLD DELAY (HOLD DLY) MONO IN/MONO OUT 1 >>> If you assign “HOLD DLY” to the CONTROL pedal, you’ll be able to hold >>> the delay >>> sound. >>> [1] “TIME” 1–8000 [ms] Sets the delay time. >>> [2] “FEEDBACK” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the amount of feedback. >>> [3] “TONE” 1.0–10.0 * Adjusts the tone of the delay sound. >>> [6] “MIX” 0.0–10.0 * Adjusts the mix amount of the delay sound. >>> CONTROL pedal: HOLD DLY: If you select “HOLD DLY” for the CONTROL >>> pedal, the delay sound will be held from the >>> moment you turn the pedal on. >>> >>> What the manual doesn't say is that when you change delay times it >>> behaves like the old Digitech PDS8000 and old analog delay pedals >>> where you get all sorts of warping during the change. That makes for >>> some fun effects. >>> >>>> lso, I saw you mention in another post that the Tonelab will let you >>>> disable the cabinet simulations so you can use it with an amp w/out >>>> double filtering your signal. I am wondering if it is possible for >>>> you to disable all the amp-like parts and use it as a multi-fx unit. >>> >>> Yes, that's the idea. >>> >>>> Can you tweak the parameters in real time easily while you playing? >>> >>> Yeah, totally. You can also assign any perimeter to one of the >>> expression pedals so you don't have to be bending over all the time >>> to >>> knob twiddle. You can do that as well, though. It's got a really >>> simple to navigate interface where you have "soft" knobs that change >>> function depending on what your tweaking. >>> >>>> I would like to get the Tonelab to record with and then I would like >>>> to use it with a real guitar amp and use just the FX onstage, but I >>>> need to be able to adjust things real-time while on stage. Can this >>>> be done with the Tonelab? If it also has looping it may have >>>> everything I need. Thanks! >>> >>> That's the whole idea behind this piece of gear. Check it out, you >>> may hate it's presets but once tweaked you can do a lot with this >>> badboy. >>> >>> Mark >>> >> >