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RE: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8

Depending on what you did, it may be okay, but when you change file permissions you can damage windows "junction points" in such a way that you 
end up with an infinitely recursive directory structure.   Here is a brief explanation, if you search for "windows junction recursion" you'll find others.


So check your c:\Users\<yourname>\AppData\Local directory for signs of recursion:


If you don't see that you're probably okay.  If you do (as I did) you can fix it with JunctionBox:






From: kay'lon rushing
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 10:24 AM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight
Subject: Re: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8
 
Unfortunately I already tried changing permissions for the entire C drive -___-
I haven't noticed something go funky on me yet, but now I feel like I should reset my laptop to be on the safe side. What do you think?


On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
No it won't mess up anything.  You're basically just turning off a new security layer most people felt was the absolute worst thing about Windows Vista.  I completely disabled UAC (User Access Control) in Vista.  It got a little better in Windows 7, what we're doing here is disabling it for selected programs.  They'll be allowed to run as they did under Windows XP, so if they were well behaved under XP they'll be well behaved under 8.  The only security related thing I recommend not doing is changing folder permissions in system folders like c:\Program Files.  Windows 7 added something called "junctions" which can get messed up if you tinker with system folder permissions.  So if you can't get to a file, raise the security level of the program rather than lowering the security level of the files.  I don't think you will have a problem with this as long as you have Run as administrator on.

Jeff

From: kay'lon rushing
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2013 2:54 AM

To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight
Subject: RE: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8
 

I was considering to run them automatically as admin like you said. But do you think that could mess up something in the future besides the risk of malware?

On Jun 20, 2013 6:32 PM, "Jeff Larson" <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
A slight correction...

It's not just simple file system access that raises a security alert, it is trying to write things to c:\Program Files or c:\Program Files (x86).  This is where Mobius stores global configuration information and a lot of other apps written before Windows Vista do too.  The reason it's a security alert is because once you can write to those directories you can in theory make changes to OTHER programs to inject viruses or capture passwords or do something evil.  So as always, you need to know the source of anything you execute and run a virus scan on it immediately after downloading. 

Jeff

 
From: Jeff Larson
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 8:13 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight
Subject: RE: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8
 
It could be file permission problems.    Windows has gradually been adding more security features to the OS, some of these require applications to change the way they are written in order to avoid security violations.  One of these is directly accessing the file system which Mobius certainly does and SampleTank probably does too.  Many developers haven't bothered making those changes so when you try to run some older programs you'll get a popup asking for run as admin permission, or they mail fail to run at all.  

Rather than deal with popups and special run as menu options, I permanently make the executable run at administrator level and forget about it.  It's a variant of the third approach here:



Only instead of creating a shortcut, you can use Windows Explorer to navigate directly to the executable, right click, properties, Compatibility tab, and check Run as adminstrator.

The only "bad" thing that might happen is if the program is malicious it can alter sensitive system files.  If you trust where it is coming from then you don't need to worry about this.  You certainly don't have to worry about Mobius, SampleTank, or any of the commercial hosts.  

Jeff


From: kay'lon rushing
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:47 PM
To: Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight
Subject: Re: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8
 
I've already given myself admin privilages. But that doesn't make a difference. Basically when I run as admin and save presets, those presets are only visible the next time if I run as admin again. And when I run it without clicking "run as admin" the presets I make then, are only visible the next time if I run without clicking "run as admin." The reason this bugs me is because SampleTank (A great free sample player), for somereason asks for administrative privilages when I run it as a vst. Therefore I have to run the entire host as administrator which in turn affects what presets mobius displays. I don't want to have to run the host as administrator every time I open it. It just seems like something bad will happen down the road if I do.


On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Jeff Larson <jeff.larson@sailpoint.com> wrote:
I haven't had time to explore this fully, but starting with Windows 7 they changed the way that configuration files are stored.  To the application it looks like they're in c:\Program Files (x86)\Mobius 2, but they're actually being redirected to a location under c:\Users.   This is sensitive to the user that is logged in, which may explain why you're seeing different presets.  There are actually two copies of the Mobius config files.

Try giving your normal user administrative privileges.  I don't have a Windows machine in front of me, but log in as Administrator, go to control panel and find whatever it is that edits users.  You should be able to select and add permissions to your normal user.

Jeff



From: kay'lon rushing <k3zz21@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:06 PM
To: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Subject: Issues with Mobius and SampleTank on windows 8
Resent-From: "Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com" <Loopers-Delight@loopers-delight.com>
Resent-Date: Thursday, June 20, 2013 2:59 PM

I've been trying to configure mobius and sampletank but there seem to be administrative problems with win8. If i run mobius as administrator, it loads different presets than when i run it in normal mode. Also, whenever i try to use sampletank, either as a vst or a standalone, i get a message stating that sampletank needs administrative privilages and to close and reopen the program as administrator. I know some of you said just move back to windows 7, but I really like windows 8 besides this issue, so hopefully someone will be patient enough to help me with this risky endeavor.




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