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Andy - Please cue "You Can't Always Get What You Want." :) Because I just got what I need ! You are of course correct that the Echoloop is responding to Pgm Changes, but I could not see that - because the Preset Banks popup menu does not update to show the current preset when it's being switched remotely ! (prolly worth a bugfix?) Digging deeper for testing, i set up 16 distinct presets with Subcycle values of 1,2,3,4,5 etc... and sending Pgm Changes 0-15 via direct MIDI was in fact correctly updating params as stored in the presets for the VST. So - halle-freaking-lujah, there is a way. What I *wanted* was a discrete control for each param I want to change or hit, but upon inventory it's clear the net of all those is under a dozen basic states for the VST. So, the preset change works and accomplishes that - and I get what I need. Thanks Andy, Per, Matthias, and everyone else who has suffered through this thread with me :) Phil On Jul 28, 2012, at 7:48 AM, andy butler wrote: > > > Phil Clevenger wrote: >>> The *only* feature that's required is "just route my midi >>> controller to the audio plugin". >>> >> Andy, if only this were true ! > > > > > It *does* change vst preset when it gets ProgCh. > I have the Subcycle numbers flipping about as I type. > > and Yes, it does that in Ableton, the only strangeness being that > Ableton insists on changing the Midi Channel to 1 when > it forwards to the plugin. > > Apart from this glitch with the note-On, I get the behaviour I always > had:- > Link up my usual EDP midi controller to computer. > Follow my Ableton Howto. > Echoloop responds just like an EDP. > > Currently I'm having a problem with the windows version which needs > fixing though ;-( > Anyone who got the latest win version may find it not responding to > Note-On at all. > (trying to be too quick editing out mac specific code) > > andy >